GPU cooling? What do you do to keep the GPU cool?

GPU cool

This section will try to answer the most often asked questions I get.

GPU cooling? What do you do to keep the GPU cool?

I have been asked this question in the past few days quite a few times. I read what was posted by Precision Division on their eBay ads stating the BIOS files do not fix the issue, and how they modify the fan.

You have to be aware of what causes your system to fail, and what needs to be done to fix it. You have to do four main things such as update the BIOS and video drivers, exit the heat, reapply thermal paste, and change the handling.

As a repair outlet I can only do so much during the repair. Thermal compound helps greatly. Updating the BIOS and video drivers do much more for a system than hardware mods can alone. Handling has to be changed though.

I can modify the fan easily enough by clipping one wire. I suggest purchasing a laptop cooler because when it breaks and the fans die on that system it is easier to change than the weaker CPU fan that is internally in the system. As many already know, the heatsink on a DV6000, DV9000, F500, and F700 are L-shaped. Heat travels through the L-shaped heatsink to exit the system. With a weak fan exiting heat, the heat spreads through the system making the fan work harder to exit the heat. This heat remelts solder, heats your components, wears the bearings in your fan, and weakens your battery cells. Laptop cooling mats do more to move heat than the CPU fan can do on its own.

Thermal compound is key to thermal recovery. The compound absorbs the heat and causes the transfer to happen quicker. In conjunction with a chill mat, this is key to moving heat so it does not spread through the system.

BIOS and video drivers are important because they both handle how the video and system work to displace heat. The Nvidia drivers add support for games and DirectX applications, but also do more important things like bug fixes. Bug fixes can be simple problems as what the new drivers do as of 2009 which is cause the GPU to run at 10 to 20 percent power when idle. I cannot do that to as system, and neither can any other repair outlet unless they install the drivers. The BIOS update runs the fan at 5v for the complete time the system is on, but it also does another important duty: It runs the CPU at a lower GHz when it is idle the same as the video driver. This cannot be changed in the BIOS without a BIOS update.

Finally, handling is probably the single most important task. As a user you have to know your system, know the reason for the failure, and change your handling. I get calls to ask about reballing and re-stenciling with leaded solder. That will not help with anything. Heat causes solder to weaken and crack so you have to handle that issue. So handling as a user is key to continued working of a new or repaired system. As a user you have to take simple no nonsense precautions to extend the life.

Here are just a few:

Do not let your system sit on a cloth surface.

Do not block the vents.

Do not hibernate or Stand-By your system.

Turn your system off when you are not using it.

 

GPU cooling? What do you do to keep the GPU cool?

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Copper shim question – Do you add copper shims or pennies?

This section will try to answer the most often asked questions I get.

Copper shim question – Do you add copper shims or pennies?

Your issue with the onboard BGA chipset is heat related. HP DV2000, DV6000, DV9000, TX1000, Dell D620, D630, D630, D820, D830 systems with Nvidia chipsets have the known BGA issues that I can fix by reflowing them.

Now, the question above is asked to me constantly. I personally do not use copper shims.

Copper shims and pennies before 1981 do not fix your issue, but do more to hamper it.

You will have three things that can happen. These are an electrical arc, an overload, or a soldering issue.

Your chipsets on your laptop 9 out of 10 times are fine if that have not been worked with in anyway and can be reflowed properly. The chipsets have capacitors located on the top and these capacitors are actually made of ferrite. When you apply Artic Silver and the copper shim in direct contact with your chipset you have stress fractures or arcing. Heat will cause the chipset to move up and down, by design, and will cause the copper to flex causing the capacitor to complete a circuit arcing between the chipset, the shim, and the heatsink which has copper in it. Placing a plastic spacer does not help any since the heat will melt, deform, or damage the chipset in its own right.

Now your chipset may get an overload and burn it out internally with no outer signs. Usually on a DV6000 system you will see a three capacitor cluster on the motherboard overload, and burn the planing of the motherboard. Overloading will cause the chipset to pull more power in the board causing stress on other chipsets such as the MAX8774, Max8724E, and MAX8734A.

The simplest issue is that your chipset will heat and the shim causes the solder to glob or puddle on the underside of the chipset. There is a reason the CPU is 5mm and the GPU is 3mm with no need to place a copper shim in to damage that design no matter how poor it may be now or before.

For more details on helping your system not overheat please check this question:

Copper shim issues and how to fix it

What if my need is not listed?

As an electronics technician, laptops and desktops are not the only items I work on. If you have a specific need that is not isted above, please feel free to email me at james@doubleclickittofixit.com or call 706-307-9689.

copper shim

 

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Can your local laptop or computer shop fix that?

As a computer repair shop we see a number of damaged computer-related electronics pass through our door daily, but we also see a number of strictly electronic items from time to time. For example we had a gentleman in our local town bring us a solar panel that had a damaged crystal oscillator, if you need an explanation this will help here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator, that we tested, changed, and repaired his unit.

To the point, we are not just an average break fix computer company. We are not just a degree holding computer repair facility. We are not just a reflow and reballing facility. We are an electronics company.

We fix TVs. We fix amplifiers. We fix stereos. We fix laptops. We fix desktops. We fix TCUs. We fix printers. We fix battery chargers. We fix about anything that can be soldered or tested with a scope, multimeter, or continuity tester.

We use only Hakko-branded equipment for our fine pitch soldering. We have all Fluke-branded electrical test equipment.

Below is an example of a system that was sent to a Florida-based repair facility off of eBay who could not fix the unit. Their solution was to replace the motherboard. For all their soldering knowledge, testing equipment, and time they only could suggest a motherboard replacement.

In the picture above the mosFET, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosfet, was damaged due to a short overloading one of the gates. This simple solder work can only be performed by hand, with the right equipment, and with the correct knowledge.

After the pick and place parts repair was performed we had a fully working and functional machine for our client in less than 24 hours.

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Jerry Rathje HP DV2700 System Repair on 2CE8072BDC

James Howell
DoubleClickItToFixIt.com
7472 Nashville Street
Ringgold, GA 30736
706-307-9689

http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com

Jerry,

This email will serve as an update on the status and repair of your systems sent in.

Currently I have listed the following machines sent in for repair by you:

HP DV2700 with the serialization of 2CE8072BDC

Now, with the HP DV2700 with the serialization of 2CE8072BDC has been repaired and is ready for return. The system is labeled HP Spare 460716-001. The system required a reflow on the Nvidia GeForce G86-630-A2, Intel SLA5Q, and Intel SLA5V chipsets.

No power adapter was found within the box.

You also need to update the video drivers from Nvidia.com and the BIOS from HP if one is to be applied. Please advise your end user to purchase a cooling pad to help insure the removal of heat from the system.

If you need more help in explaining these areas to your end user, please visit http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/helpful-hints/

Pictures of the repair can be viewed at http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/img

Your system was shipped without a prepaid Fedex label or account for return shipping. You have two options to make payment and have your system shipped back. Payment can be made by check or money order delivered to our shop or you can pay by COD when the Fedex truck delivers your package. The service requested was a reflow in the amount of $125 plus shipping which is estimated at $16.38. Your total check should be for the amount of $141.38. If you pay by COD, your shipping will be included in the amount plus a COD handling fee determined by Fedex based on the payment choice they accept from you. These fees range from $5 to $25, and are solely determined by Fedex and Fedex alone.

You have 30 days to make this payment from the time this email is sent. Payment can be delivered to our new office at the above address if you are mailing a check.

If you have a laptop that requires a reflow, and you would like to receive a service purchasing options are listed below.










If copper shims do not work, then if I do a fan modification will that help keep my GPU cooler?

I get this question along with “Do you do fan modifications?” and “How do you do fan modifications?”

Here is a little tip, this concept is not a new one since I have written about how other online sellers including Precision Division out of Florida otherwise known as ibuiltonline perform his modification some 8 months ago when I first registered my website and placed the website online. You can see a video of them checking a system for the voltage on the board, but guess what voltage does not equal heat. Second the concept does more damage to your system than any good. Copper shims are the rave since it does so much for your system, but users fail to realize the risk that the modification does long term. The same is true with the fan modification.

First lets describe how the fan modification works and how it is performed. No need in getting excited, but yes I am selling you a trade secret for nada. Your fan comes with four wires. As I look at one I see a yellow, black, white, and red wire that plugs in by a Molex connector to the motherboard. If you diagram the wire schematic, you will see that the white and red wire both provide a voltage line out from the motherboard to the fan. By trimming the white wire, you have placed a direct untapped 12v line to the fan causing it to run a full RPMs. So the trick here is to run your fan at full speed, expel heat, and have a running system for how long, perhaps 120 days?

In my opinion, I see from a engineering stand point that this may be genius, but the catch. The fans are poor HEAT displacing devices in the first place. The fans are created, modeled, and recycled from Pentium M systems. The fans do not have the heat displacing capability in any capacity for a Dual Core system. What you see is not a modern marvel of engineering inside your system, but a modern marvel of accounting. Someone somewhere said that a redesign of an existing fan was cheaper than building a new one.

Then what about the modification? If you mod the fan to run a full RPMS, then how long will it last? Tell me, how old is your system? Maybe 2 or 3 years old. Then what you have is a used fan with stressed bearings, dried bearings, broken blades, maybe a stressed motor. I see modding the fan to run stronger and harder to be a unwise choice. This will help to push the system into a failure. When your fan fails then your chipset will overheat in perhaps two to three minutes. The pictures you have seen of heat guns doing damage, yeah the chipset can do the same to itself. Then in the end you will at least need a reflow, a fan, and a laptop cooler. In the extreme, you will need a CPU because they do pop like the GPU chipsets, a fan, a motherboard, and a laptop cooler. All because you wanted to get your system repaired, and you were handed a fan modified system.

I see a better alternative is this. Change your user habits, and use an external fan. I personally have three Dell D820s and D830s that I have reflowed. I reflow them myself, and have had to perform this task about 5 times due to wireless issues, but no video issues yet. I leave my systems running for hours at a time, but I own and run a reflow shop and computer shop so I have countless resources at my disposal. As a common user, you will not have that luxury.

I suggest the following to all my clients and everyone that calls me including my mother:

1: Turn your computer off when you are not using it. If you do not, think of all the power the system uses, all the other parts failing like the inverter and battery, and the heat buildup. When your laptop overheats and dries the thermal compound, the thermal compound starts to act as a insulator, ie. heat builder, than a transfer, ie. heat displacer.

2: Get a laptop cooler. I use Zalman coolers that are three fanned systems and my systems do not have issues. If you get a cheap cooler, then you get a cheap heat displacer.

3: Update your drivers. I see Nvidia.com places updated drivers about every 30 to 90 days on certain products. If you only check the HP.com website you will never find these drivers.

4: Ask questions. If you ask questions and get educated you can decide better. I find nothing wrong with one question or 100 questions. When you ask a business a few questions and that business has no time for you to answer them, then you cannot make an informed decision. I do not mind if you email me, call me, or even walk up to me to ask a question.

Dennis Dodd HP DV2200US System Repair on 2CE7174DPJ

James Howell
DoubleClickItToFixIt.com
7472 Nashville Street
Ringgold, GA 30736
706-307-9689

http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com

Dennis,

This email will serve as an update on the status and repair of your systems sent in.

Currently I have listed the following machines sent in for repair by you:

HP DV2200US with the serialization of 2CE7174DPJ

Now, with the HP DV2200US with the serialization of 2CE7174DPJ has been reflowed. The system is labeled HP Spare 440768-001. The system required a reflow on the Nvidia GeForce GO6150 (NF-G6150-N-A2) and NF-430-N-A3 chipsets.

A power adapter was found within the box with this system.

You also need to update the video drivers from Nvidia.com, ATI.com, and the BIOS from HP if one is to be applied. Please advise your end user to purchase a cooling pad to help insure the removal of heat from the system.

If you need more help in explaining these areas to your end user, please visit http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/helpful-hints/

Pictures of the repair can be viewed at http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/img if any are to be viewed.

Your system was shipped with a prepaid Fedex label or account for return shipping. A check for $125.00 was also enclosed with your shipment.

Refurbished laptops for sale

If you check under http://doubleclickittofixit.com/pricing/laptop-systems/ I have a full list of laptops for sale currently.

Somphane Phimmasone HP DV2000 System Reflow Service on 2CE7300YKN

James Howell
DoubleClickItToFixIt.com
954 Sagamore Drive
Tunnel Hill, GA 30755
706-307-9689

http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com

Somphane,

This email will serve as an update on the status and repair of your systems sent in.

Currently I have listed the following machine sent in for repair by you:

HP DV2000 with the serialization of 2CE7300YKN

As agreed your system was billed at $75.00.

Now, with the HP DV2000 with the serialization 2CE7300YKN has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on both the Nvidia GeForce GO6150 (NF-G6150-N-A2) and the Nvidia NF-430-N-A3 chipset.

Please keep in mind you need to update the video drivers from Nvidia.com and the BIOS from HP if one is to be applied. Please advise your end user to purchase a cooling pad to help insure the removal of heat from the system.

As a side note, I recommend you reapply thermal compound when you rebuild your system. I use Artic Silver 5 cover the joints on both the GPU and CPU.

If you need more help in explaining these areas to your end user, please visit http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/tips.html

Pictures of the repair can be viewed at http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/img

Payment was not included in the box with the system. The Google Checkout purchase was reversed by Google. Your system will ship by FedEx by way of COD. You will be allowed to make payment when the box arrives.

Shipment will post July 12th, 2010.

David Andrew Boyd of davidandrewboyd.com HP DV2988NR System Reflow Service on 2CE841HT7D

James Howell
DoubleClickItToFixIt.com
954 Sagamore Drive
Tunnel Hill, GA 30755
706-307-9689

http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com

David,

This email will serve as an update on the status and repair of your systems sent in.

Currently I have listed the following machines sent in for repair by you:

HP DV2988NR with the serialization of 2CE841HT7D

As agreed your motherboards are billed at $125.00 per motherboard.

Now, with the HP DV2000 with the serialization 2CE841HT7D has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on the Nvidia GeForce GO7150 (MCP-G150-N-A2) chipset.

Your system still displayed issues typical of a reflow repair. Your RAM was taken from slot one which displayed a repaired system.

You also need to update the video drivers from Nvidia.com and the BIOS from HP if one is to be applied. Please advise your end user to purchase a cooling pad to help insure the removal of heat from the system.

If you need more help in explaining these areas to your end user, please visit http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/tips.html

Pictures of the repair can be viewed at http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/img

Payment has not been received for the system for the reflow service. Currently, your system requires a payment for the reflow and shipping. I am sending the system board back by FedEx requesting a COD payment.

Erik Silvers of PC Supply Company System Repair Service on multiple systems

James Howell
DoubleClickItToFixIt.com
954 Sagamore Drive
Tunnel Hill, GA 30755
706-307-9689

http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com

Erik,

This email will serve as an update on the status and repair of your systems sent in.

Currently I have listed the following machines sent in for repair by you:

HP DV2700 with the serialization of 2CE8110F3D
HP DV2000 with the serialization of 2CE6520RC3
HP DV2000 with the serialization of 2CE7191Z0W
HP DV6000 with the serialization of CNF64104DF

As agreed your motherboards are billed at $60.00 per motherboard.

Now, with the HP DV2000 with the serialization 2CE8110F3D has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on both the Nvidia GeForce GO6150 (NF-G6150-N-A2) and the Nvidia NF-430-N-A3 chipset.

The HP DV2000 with the serialization 2CE6520RC3 has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on both the Nvidia GeForce GO6150 (NF-G6150-N-A2) and the Nvidia NF-430-N-A3 chipset.

The HP DV2700 with the serialization 2CE7191Z0W has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on the Nvidia MCP67M-A2 chipset.

The HP DV6000 with the serialization CNF64104DF has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on both the Nvidia GeForce GO6150 (NF-G6150-N-A2) and the Nvidia NF-430-N-A3 chipset.

Please keep in mind you need to reapply thermal compound such as Artic Silver 5. You also need to update the video drivers from Nvidia.com and the BIOS from HP if one is to be applied. Please advise your end user to purchase a cooling pad to help insure the removal of heat from the system.

If you need more help in explaining these areas to your end user, please visit http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/tips.html

Pictures of the repair can be viewed at http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/img

Somphane Phimmasone HP DV2000 System Reflow Service on 2CE7093Q3P

James Howell
DoubleClickItToFixIt.com
954 Sagamore Drive
Tunnel Hill, GA 30755
706-307-9689

http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com

Somphane,

This email will serve as an update on the status and repair of your systems sent in.

Currently I have listed the following machine sent in for repair by you:

HP DV2000 with the serialization of 2CE7093Q3P

As agreeded your system was billed at $75.00.

Now, with the HP DV2000 with the serialization 2CE7093Q3P has been repaired and is ready for return. The system required a reflow on both the Nvidia GeForce GO6150 (NF-G6150-N-A2) and the Nvidia NF-430-N-A3 chipset.

Please keep in mind you need to update the video drivers from Nvidia.com and the BIOS from HP if one is to be applied. Please advise your end user to purchase a cooling pad to help insure the removal of heat from the system.

As a side note, I recommend you reapply thermal compound when you rebuild your system. I use Artic Silver 5 cover the joints on both the GPU and CPU.

If you need more help in explaining these areas to your end user, please visit http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/tips.html

Pictures of the repair can be viewed at http://www.doubleclickittofixit.com/img

Payment was included in the box with the system so your system is ready to ship.